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    Ms. Freakshow (In-game Admin)


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    This probably isn't the correct form. I couldn't find any staff complaint sub-forum, but regardless, I think this should suffice.

     

    I was on the EGC | US West Trade Server trading as normal. I usually use my mic, and when I do I muted some people. The admin in question was Ms. Freakshow, who had muted me without prior warning. I asked "why" and I was apparently talking over her. I couldn't have known about this because she never used chat to tell me, she just said it in VC and I wasn't able to hear her. After telling her that I muted her, along with other people, she gagged me for arguing with her (even though I couldn't hear a single word she was saying because she refused to use the chat).

     

    This has nothing to do with her being a female, but she took it as a personal attack for some reason. As the gag reason said "Ms Freakshow: Issued an extended gag on 2dollaslices for 30 minutes (reason: arguing with admin after HE talked over freakshow and MUTED her)."

     

    Its key to note, that as I was muting other players, I wasn't aware that Ms. Freakshow was an admin because she didn't talk in chat, and because of that, I wasn't able to see her admin tag or whatever. I don't think it should be a player responsibility to memorize a list of admins before joining a server. The fact she didn't reach out to me and took action instantly instead of thinking makes me think that she's not really fit for being an admin. I don't think this knee-jerk reaction style of enforcement is the kind you should be letting on your server. Had she warned me in chat that I was talking over her prior to the mute, I would have unmuted her and complied.

     

    EDIT: It is also worth noting that I was kicked after being gagged. Not sure why, but I went back on anyways to see I was still muted/gagged. This seemed very unnecessary. After today's incident, I'm considering avoiding your trade servers altogether, as this immature style of administration is very unprofessional.


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    Name: Ms. Freakshow (In-game Admin)
    SteamID: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198008028873
    Offence: Other
    Location: Servers

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    I feel like that "knee-jerk" reaction you're referring to, is probably based off the wild chat logs you displayed prior to your gag. "Disrespect Mother♥♥♥♥er what?" When I read that, that doesn't tell me that she had much of a chance to not gag you, you didn't necessarily handle it in a non-aggressive manner either. She gets put through a lot of hell on the servers, and if I was reading that, I wouldn't necessarily take it easy on you either. 

     

    I got a genuine question. You never knew she was an administrator, but you had her specifically muted with some others? What caused this muting of her? The fact that you didn't know she was an administrator sounds way too strange, and a general thing is that they can hear you, regardless if you can't hear them. Freakshow was doing her job, and you didn't say something like "Hey, apoligies I had you muted. If I unmute you, will you possibly un-mute me?"

     

     Nope. Instead you responded with some pretty nasty commentary. You really think she was going to respond nicely after those comments, and you still had the nerve to call her style "unprofessional"? 

    Aug 10, 2017 8:26:19 am she muted me because i had her muted EGC | US WEST | TRADE
    Aug 10, 2017 8:26:12 am 'disrespect' mother♥♥♥♥er what? EGC | US WEST | TRADE
    Aug 10, 2017 8:25:58 am i had you muted for a reason

     

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    I didn't call her a "bitch" and I didn't say "wow". That is a lie. A flat out fabrication. I said that in chat WEEKS PRIOR TO TODAY, but you seem to assume that I said it to Ms. Freakshow in particular, which isn't true. You made that up. Which is causing some concern, and making me question if the validity of your administration and action actually holds up to the standards of other servers. You had already set low expectations with this event, and now you're making stuff up for the sake of defending your admin's reaction? Misconstruing logs to make it seem like I'm the one attacking her? That's just sad.

     

    And AGAIN, me saying " 'disrespect' mother♥♥♥♥er what?" was to another user, not her. Again, she wasn't speaking in chat at the time of the incident and I had her muted. Just how would I respond to her that way? I wasn't disrespecting her in the chat, I was asking why I was muted and telling her that I had her muted so I couldn't hear her. Don't take things out of context.

     

    I muted a whole bunch of people, I didn't mute her specifically. I don't need to provide my reason why, I just did. It isn't my responsibility to know who the admins are on every trade server I go on.

     

    EDIT: For context, the original response mentioned that I had called her a bitch and whatever. He edited that part out, however, the fact you couldn't do some very basic date checks (and again, having a knee-jerk reaction!) is just an example of how unprofessional these admins are. That IS, if it was a mistake in the first place.

     

    EDIT 2: The first comment isn't "nasty" at all, I don't know where you got that idea. Its me explaining why I was muted.

    The second comment I had already explained, it was to another user. You're taking it out of context. Stop that.

    The third one, again, isn't nasty. I had her muted because I also muted other people. I had my reasons, but she didn't like them.

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    50 minutes ago, extrapepperoni said:

     

     

    EDIT: For context, the original response mentioned that I had called her a bitch and whatever. He edited that part out, however, the fact you couldn't do some very basic date checks (and again, having a knee-jerk reaction!) is just an example of how unprofessional these admins are. That IS, if it was a mistake in the first place.

     

    Like a professional and mature person, I will admit that was a mistake. Also, I'm not an administrator here, so I do some "admin checks".

     

    For the second thing, I might or might not have taken it out of context. Again, I don't think the actual administrators here would make a irrational decision. This community trusts freakshow, so I like to get her opinion on the matter.

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    Either way, if you can't do something as simple as check the date on comments or knowing the context, you shouldn't be sticking your head into these kinds of problems. It only causes misconstruction and makes the situation worse.

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    2 minutes ago, extrapepperoni said:

    Either way, if you can't do something as simple as check the date on comments or knowing the context, you shouldn't be sticking your head into these kinds of problems. It only causes misconstruction and makes the situation worse.

    I already apologized. No need to make a smart ass remark to basically "beat a dead horse". I stuck my head in because I've seen numerous decisions made by Freakshow. ALL have been justified btw.

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    Have had several run ins with u 2dolla, and today you showed me you aren't willing to change to remain part of the EGC community no matter how nice I am.

    You know I'm an Admin because I have had to punish you in the past as shown in previous history. You are rude and disrespectful, not just to me but others in our community.

    As he has stated he muted me as well as other players, this means he is constantly talking over others who are advertising and then earns himself a mute. When he does this then he uses chat to continue his rants of abuse or leaves the server to return to doing it again as is the case today.

    I was having a great day, had Events planned for my 10,000hours and was advertising my new unusual on mic. He interupted me and continued to do so, I DID write in chat and said on mic for him to stop but he continued. Eventually leading me to having to mute him so that I could complete my advertising.

    At this stage he could have told me that he had me muted and that he was sorry, which he started to do, however I felt that muting an Admin or anyone and then blaming them for YOU interrupting THEM is completely unreasonable and out of line.

    I rarely use my mic and only use it when I need to as Admin or when I'm being a social butterfly doing Events, he had no valid reason to mute me, Admin or not.

    I then explained once he unmuted me that this is the risk u take in muting an Admin, u miss vital information that may result in you being punished for a misunderstanding. He then began to argue with me, trying to justify why he muted me to begin with.

    I stated there's no excuse, our MOTD screen says I'm admin, he has personally attacked me in the past based on my gender as seen in sourcebans and as stated I've had to 'deal' with him previously for unwanted behaviour.

    He was muted then I gagged him for continuing to argue with me in chat, rather than saying sorry he felt he needed to make his point which I felt was irrelevant and contradictory to EGC's server rules and general social norms. He was then kicked for being silenced as the server was full at the time. He rejoined and after realizing it was pointless, left and came back once they ended.

    He then continued to argue with me once he came back, to which I asked him several times NOT to do. I stated I simply wanted to him get back to trading and understand when he mutes people then talks over them there may be consequences to doing this. He then got loud and angry and said things like 'alright for ♥♥♥♥sake I get it' which he clearly didn't as it was I that was trying to get him to stop arguing with me, not the other way around. Anyway because of previous issues with him, him ignoring server rules, him having absolutely no respect for me as a person let alone an Admin, I felt 24hrs would give him time to grow up and realize his attitude isn't getting him anywhere and if he continues he will not be welcome on EGC Servers. If he is willing to show respect to others, he will get it in return. However because he by his own admission mutes half the server, he is talking over others constantly and doesn't care. I'm just making sure EVERYONE has an opportunity equally.

     

     

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    Its clear you're intent on making this a better experience for you personally, rather than your players. Because of that, I won't be going on your servers anymore. If this is the ideology that EGC will stand behind and actively defend, then it isn't a good server or community, and I have no intent of returning to your servers.

     

    By the way, 10,000 hours in TF2 isn't something you should be taking pride in. At all. I've been playing for a bit longer than you (about 2 months apart), and I only have around 2,500 hours. About 500 or so was spent idling, so it rounds down to about 1,900-2,000. What you have is an addiction, and you should seek help for it. And the fact half of that is spent on this community's servers only helps to highlight this addiction. Lulu, if that's your real name, please get help. This isn't healthy for you.

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    Firstly as a general note to all, please don't comment on a report not relating to you, unless you have pertinent information.

     

    @extrapepperoni It is your option to have someone muted if you wish, however you run the risk of exactly what happened here today. Talking over people consistently and then pleading ignorance because you have them muted is not a vaild excuse. Your mute and ban was justified and if you choose to keep players muted and continue to use the microphone, you absolutely run the risk of speaking over people, which apart from being against the rules, is just rude in general.

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    So I reviewed the information provided. Here is what I found:

     

    You have a previous 1 day ban on PPM for 'ignoring admins'.

    You have a previous 1 day ban with egc (1 month ago) for spamming mic, abusive behavior and ignoring server rules.

    You have a previous 50 minute mute for interrupting advertising.

    and your latest ban for for 'ignoring admins and admin disrespect'.

     

    This seems like a reoccurring issue with you @extrapepperoni, you have similar issues on other servers. It is your job to check who admins are and make sure you are communicating or can communicate with them. There is no excuse for not knowing who @MsFreakshow is as she dealt with you 2 weeks-1month earlier on several occasions. Our MOTD easily links and displays admins with their current picture and name. you can click on it to go to their profile.

     

    I understand muting people, sometimes you don't want to hear all the nonsense going on in a server, but you seem to have a constant issue with it. Muting a lot of people on one server will create issues like the one above. I suggest if you are going to do that in future, just turn your sound down and add a tag in your name so people know: [No Sound]extrapepperoni. We are here to moderate and help the server remain calm and fun place to be. We cannot keep tabs on who has people muted and there should be no reason you have an admin muted. That is your responsibility.

     

    MsFreakshow posted constantly in chat during the time of the incident, there is no way you could not see she was an admin. I have asked MsFreakshow to make chat binds to help make it more clear, but really if you are going to mute an admin, expect issues. Any server or community will tell you that. Our admin has done everything by the book and I am sorry you feel you must leave, but I suggest you change your attitude and methods of muting people if you want to co-exist here.

     

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    13 hours ago, extrapepperoni said:

    Its clear you're intent on making this a better experience for you personally, rather than your players. Because of that, I won't be going on your servers anymore. If this is the ideology that EGC will stand behind and actively defend, then it isn't a good server or community, and I have no intent of returning to your servers.

     

    By the way, 10,000 hours in TF2 isn't something you should be taking pride in. At all. I've been playing for a bit longer than you (about 2 months apart), and I only have around 2,500 hours. About 500 or so was spent idling, so it rounds down to about 1,900-2,000. What you have is an addiction, and you should seek help for it. And the fact half of that is spent on this community's servers only helps to highlight this addiction. Lulu, if that's your real name, please get help. This isn't healthy for you.

     

    Your views are warped at best. Freakshow has been @ EGC for years. The biggest issue communities face is a lack of admin presence. She makes it her aim to be active on the servers to provide users admin help when they need it and to give the servers moderation and peace of mind. She has done this well for as long as I can remember, you calling out her hours and using it as an avenue to insult her is lame. You have no basis to make those determinations, you do not know her on a personal level and you are not active enough on this community to make half the assumptions you have made.

     

    At EGC we pride ourselves on being fair, and we are. We give users a chance, we spend time listening to their concerns and we take feedback constructively. Please do not come here and throw around insults in an attempt to validate your points. You should never have an admin muted, if you do, it's on you. We have enough to do around this community that we are not going to add notifying specific players who have a habit of muting people to the list. 

     

    Hopefully this provides some insight for you, and you can take something away from this. Best of luck!

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